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  • #16
    Originally posted by Paracentesis View Post
    I'm new here, so I hope this question doesn't offend, but -- who are the goodguys, and how can one be absolutely certain that they are good? If you buy a new Rolex, you are not going to get it examined or serviced for at least 5 years (9 in my case, and still counting). So a very good fake (say, with a highbeat ETA movement) isn't going to come to light for many years, by which time the "goodguy" may well have disappeared.
    There are no absolutes in life, except perhaps death and taxes. However an established seller, such as those listed by established forum members as "Goodguys" are about the safest bet you can get.
    To sell a fake watch as real is a crime in most countries. Someone who dedicates a great deal of time becoming an expert and specialist supplier of high end watches is unlikely to be motivated to commit such a crime.
    Also to have satified sufficient customers to gain a good reputation suggests a pattern of behaviour inconsistent with skuldugery.
    It is also worth noting that people who deal in high end watches are more motivated by their love of the product than money. Goodness knows there are much easier ways to get rich.
    Regarding an AD. The jewelery trade has always been a very difficult industry to operate in. Hard to get profits, hard to retain clients. If you manage all of that then you have to suffer massive insurance premiums for all the security risks, not to mention the risk to life and limb. One of the things that can make it all better, is a dealership of one of the prestigious high end watches. Please be assured there will not be an AD who would risk their position. I think that gets you pretty close to a guarentee of proberty and diligence in the sale of new and preowned watches.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Paracentesis View Post
      I'm new here, so I hope this question doesn't offend, but -- who are the goodguys, and how can one be absolutely certain that they are good? If you buy a new Rolex, you are not going to get it examined or serviced for at least 5 years (9 in my case, and still counting). So a very good fake (say, with a highbeat ETA movement) isn't going to come to light for many years, by which time the "goodguy" may well have disappeared.
      The most active "Good Guys" here on TURF have a respected track-record of sales over many years. If you get a new watch from them, they will provide the correct papers from an AD so you can be sure the watch is real.

      There's a phrase used on forums: "Buy the seller", ie if you are sure of the seller's integrity then the provenance of the watch will be a given.

      As with anything, though, nothing is 100%. Recently a former member of this and many other forums pulled a major scam on the Vintage Rolex Forum - and this after many years of deals. Whether this was a classic "long con" or whether he found his circumstances changed and suddenly decided to do this is not known. However, he is AFAIK being pursued legally and his name is mud on all major watch forums worldwide.

      On our Good Guys board there is a bit of advice which states:

      Please note: To avoid taking the advice of a new poster or a self-promoter, please see how many posts he has made here and his date of registration compared with the date of his post or see the Good Guys Archive link.
      As always, Caveat emptor.
      Last edited by harb; 3rd June 2010, 05:37 PM.

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      • #18
        Oh, please!!!! I'm not trying to undermine the members of this forum, but trusted sellers can be anywhere and forum is not the only place to look for a watch dealer. I can grantee you that professional watch traders don't even participate in forum discussions....

        The best way to make sure you get a real watch is to always ask for a second opinion. For instance, if you got a watch off eBay; check it with your local watchmaker and not with someone who puts batteries in Casio watches, but with someone who actually fixes Rolex for living.

        Here is what I do with every single watch that I fix for my sellers:

        1. Visual Inspection: dial is the most visible part, check the letters, paint, hour markers; check the bracelet: clasp, screws.
        2. Open watch to see the movement: movement model number, gears and etc.
        3. Check the back case: model number (if it corresponds with movement number), serial number, engravings on the back case).

        I see about 5 to 10 different Rolex watches on a daily basis, but still ask for a second opinion. usually my watchmaker's.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by WPDials View Post
          I can grantee you that professional watch traders don't even participate in forum discussions....
          As with your opinion on boxes, you are, yet again, wrong.

          As someone who is purports to be in the business, you don't seem very clued up.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by WPDials View Post
            For instance, if you got a watch off eBay; check it with your local watchmaker and not with someone who puts batteries in Casio watches, but with someone who actually fixes Rolex for living.
            And while you're at it. Lock the stable door, the horse has just bolted!

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            • #21
              Originally posted by harb View Post
              As with your opinion on boxes, you are, yet again, wrong.

              As someone who is purports to be in the business, you don't seem very clued up.
              I see.... So the best way to find if the watch is real Rolex is to check box..... Here is something new... Great idea.

              Is it a forum for self-promoters? Or you want to hear other people opinions?

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              • #22
                Originally posted by WPDials View Post
                Oh, please!!!! I'm not trying to undermine the members of this forum, but trusted sellers can be anywhere and forum is not the only place to look for a watch dealer. I can grantee you that professional watch traders don't even participate in forum discussions....

                .
                I personally know several professional watch traders of great repute, with many years of experience, who regularly participate in Forum discussions.

                The thing is, real, dedicated and experienced watch traders, do it because they truly love watches. Such people enjoy the company of other watch enthusiasts.
                To make a quick buck, there are an infinite number of much easier ways.

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                • #23
                  Just having an overwhelmed presence in this forum doesn't make anyone more or less reputable. You can be a watch dealer and not even know how to use internet, and you can be here regularly and gather pieces of information from reading other people posts.

                  Anyway... Wasn't it a discussion about fakes. Or was it "I have posted here so many times that I can tell other people that they are clueless"
                  Last edited by WPDials; 3rd June 2010, 09:52 AM.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by WPDials View Post
                    Just having an overwhelmed presence in this forum doesn't make anyone more or less reputable. You can be a watch dealer and not even know how to use internet, and you can be here regularly and gather pieces of information from reading other people posts.

                    Reputation, by it's very definition requires that someone else confirms your integrity and proberty.
                    To be of repute, in isolation, is impossible. Internet or no internet. By it's very nature, reputation requires concurrance.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by WPDials View Post
                      Just having an overwhelmed presence in this forum doesn't make anyone more or less reputable. You can be a watch dealer and not even know how to use internet, and you can be here regularly and gather pieces of information from reading other people posts.

                      Anyway... Wasn't it a discussion about fakes. Or was it "I have posted here so many times that I can tell other people that they are clueless"
                      So far in this thread, I have not seen anyone tell anyone that they are clueless.

                      Although there my be instances where such a disclosure may be self evident.

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                      • #26
                        Just tried to do a Google search for "Rolex dealer". Try it. Don't know what you see on your screen, but out of 10 results on the 1st page I see 3 companies that are very shady.... Don't want to mention their names...

                        (Google search varies geographically)

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by WPDials View Post
                          Is it a forum for self-promoters?
                          No, it isn't - and for that very reason you'll see that I had to delete the promotional link to your business website, as per our Forum Rules:

                          * This site is not for the commercial exploitation or self-promotion of your own business or other such commercial activities, unless it is paid-for advertising which has been specifically approved by the site Administrators. Any posts that contain forms of promotional advertising, marketing, links (or suchlike) to the users own business or commercial activities, are not allowed and will be deleted.

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                          • #28
                            Originally Posted by WPDials
                            I can grantee you that professional watch traders don't even participate in forum discussions....
                            Better not tell Morgan, et al.!
                            Last edited by harb; 3rd June 2010, 01:03 PM.

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                            • #29
                              Fake Rolex

                              Very useful. Bookmarked the page.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by WPDials View Post

                                Am I wrong?
                                Yep! Sorry

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